that means ukraine. putin said two years ago, three years ago, my red line -- you remember obama's red line? my red line is former soviet georgia. we had a war there in 208 and ukraine. he told us exactly what he thought. until we take that into ngt the next thing that's going to happen is there's going to be nato troops on the board of western ukraine and putin's troops will flood into eastern ukraine, then all bets are off. >> go ahead. >> obviously putin has hiss mission and he clearly does see himself in the way that professor cohen just outlined. obviously there's been a major sort of argument over ukraine, but putin and the russians have by treaty their big black sea fleet in sevastopol in the crimea. there's no indication that the new ukrainian government was going to change that reality at all. you say that putin has telegraphed what his aims are and that he's not a thug, well, look, i would like you to explain to me how he and us can justify the trumping up of this hysteria in the crimea which h